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I'm stewing about 9.18 and while trying to write about it I keep getting hung up on the scene where Sam comes back in to find Dean crashed out by a wall with bloody knuckles and Gadreel unconscious on the floor.  I'm guessing Dean knocked Gadreel out.  How was he able to do this when he almost broke his hand in S4 when he hit Cas in the beautiful room?  Sam hit him too and it didn't seem to do anything to his hand.  Did I miss something or are there assumptions I should be making that I haven't?   Was it the handcuffs that limited Gadreel's power or something else?  Is Dean getting stronger due to the mark of Cain?  Is this just a case of ignoring previous canon or did something happen that I should have realized?  What do you all think?



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Apr. 21st, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
Is this just a case of ignoring previous canon

Ding ding ding!

Actually, I don't even remember Castiel being impossible to punch, so I guess they didn't emphasize it?
Apr. 21st, 2014 03:31 pm (UTC)
Maybe it was never a big deal after that one episode…..
Apr. 21st, 2014 05:12 pm (UTC)
Could be a combination of all of the above, or perhaps the angels were more powerful in the green room?
Apr. 21st, 2014 05:45 pm (UTC)
That could be a reason for sure and also maybe because they hadn't fallen then and were at full power?
Apr. 21st, 2014 06:01 pm (UTC)
Aftereffects of the fall? Even Gadreel, who's got an in with Metatron and had his healing-in-Sam time may not be fully up to strength.
Apr. 21st, 2014 06:15 pm (UTC)
Yeah, that makes sense too….
Apr. 21st, 2014 06:05 pm (UTC)
I took it to be the effect of the Mark of Cain.
Apr. 21st, 2014 06:14 pm (UTC)
That was my initial reaction too but then I got to wondering and got all confused….
Apr. 21st, 2014 07:43 pm (UTC)
I think it has to do with the Mark of Cain as well as the effects of the fall on Gadreel.
Apr. 21st, 2014 07:47 pm (UTC)
That seems to be pretty much what people are responding with so I'm feeling better about my initial reaction to it.
Apr. 21st, 2014 08:27 pm (UTC)
I'm often surprised (well, bewildered more like) that they punch demons and angels. They seem to be always hitting demons - and the demons hitting back rather than just flinging them against a wall like they used too.

In this case, I think they just wanted us to see Sam and then Dean's anger via the use of physical violence. I think we can read that Dean is getting stronger, though I think they've mostly just ignored past canon.
Apr. 22nd, 2014 01:28 am (UTC)
It seems like so many of the old rules have fallen by the wayside and I'm struggling to figure what is deliberate and what is just careless writing. I probably shouldn't stew but I guess that's not how I'm wired.
Apr. 21st, 2014 11:54 pm (UTC)
I've been discussing this all weekend - something seemed so off about that scene. I don't know what, but perhaps there's more to it than we're all assuming. Or maybe I'm just wrong. lol
Apr. 22nd, 2014 01:25 am (UTC)
It was almost like something important got edited out and I can't figure out what it would have been. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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